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Duchamp's Nude Descending Staircase
 is a work I had seen featured in others
Art Sunday writings. SEE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nude_Descending_a_Staircase%2C_No._2

 When I began hunting for something that fit this week's theme I recalled my husband and I having been to the Carnegie art Museum and my boys saying
Mom come quick there's a bunch of toilets in there.
i tried to find the piece they had seen but alas that exhibit was years ago.
So then I thought to try searching for rejected art and viola this piece appeared!
My boys think it's great funny insane even
But ART?? I don't get it.
Here's the story behind this so called art.


People often ask what constitutes good art. Who decides whether or not a piece is
art and whether it is good art or not? Marcel Duchamp challenged popular notions of his
day about what art actually is.

Duchamp, a French artist living in New York at the turn of the century, believed
that it was up to the artist to determine what art is. Duchamp is most
famous for a type of sculpture he created called “readymades”1
Ready mades are ordinary functional household objects that have either
been joined to other objects, or chosen to stand alone as sculpture.
Marcel Duchamp’s belief was that because the artist chose
the object to be art, it was, even though the artist did not physically manufacture it

Duchamp had arrived in the United States less than two years previous to the creation of Fountain, and had become involved with Dada, an anti-rational, anti-art cultural movement, in New York City. Creation of Fountain began when, accompanied by the artist Joseph Stella and art collector Walter Arensberg, he purchased a standard Bedfordshire model urinal from the J.L. Mott Iron Works, 118 Fifth Avenue. When the urinal was in his studio at 33 West 67th Street, he turned it 90 degrees from its normal position, and wrote on it "R. Mutt 1917".[2][3]

Duchamp was a board member of the Society of Independent Artists and submitted the piece under the name R. Mutt, presumably to hide his involvement with the piece, to their 1917 exhibition, which, it had been proclaimed, would exhibit all work submitted. After much debate by the board members (most of whom did not know Duchamp had submitted it) about whether the piece was or was not art, Fountain was hidden from view during the show.[4] Duchamp and Arensberg resigned from the board after the exhibition.

The New York Dadaists stirred controversy about Fountain and its being hidden from view in the second issue of The Blind Man which included a photo of the piece and a letter by Alfred Stieglitz, and writings by Beatrice Wood and Arensberg. In defense of the work being art, Wood wrote "The only works of art America has given are her plumbing and her bridges." Duchamp described his purpose with the piece as shifting the focus of art from physical craft to intellectual interpretation.


You mght also want to check out The Making sense of Modern Art video article here:
http://www.sfmoma.org/msoma/artworks/1466.html

You know I do think it needs something maybe I got it it
As the title states This "art" takes the cake!! LOL




25 Comments
mfhy2k wrote on Dec 22, '07
Great answer, thanks for playing. I never nheard of an anti-rational group. But after seeing what they call art I believe they named themselves well.
philsgal7759 wrote on Dec 22, '07
mfhy2k said
Great answer, thanks for playing. I never nheard of an anti-rational group. But after seeing what they call art I believe they named themselves well.
Agreed he should have stuck to painting
I rather like Nude Descending A Staircase it is modern yes but clearly art
with beautiful flow and repetition of pattern. I have no clue what
he wants us to come away with here other than he was po'd
wickedlyinnocent wrote on Dec 22, '07
I like the nude and the staircase too, but I fail to see what's artistic about displaying toilets. Sometimes ( quite often a few decades ago), artists had to shock not only art critics but also the public opinion in order to find their own space and get their names mentioned in the right circles. Surrealism went through that phase too, Dali and Buñuel once opened a play in Paris and hit the audience with sticks, to create the necessary chaos before the new order.
Very interesting theme and blog, have a lovely Sunday.
lauritasita wrote on Dec 22, '07
I call the toilet, "Functional Art" because not only does it have a graceful shape, it can also be used as a bird feeder !!! LOL!!! Great find, Narice !
jacquie1951 wrote on Dec 22, '07
I agree with your boys!
luisguerra wrote on Dec 22, '07
Just what I taught... a toilet!

Last week was watching the morning show in a French channel... and there I also see a race in the studio drriving motorised toilets ;-))

jacquie1951 wrote on Dec 22, '07
Oh geez.Sounds like Tim Allen's show! Or,that NASCAR commercial,where they race almost anything!
wickedlyinnocent wrote on Dec 23, '07
Motorised toilets? I wish they would show that on TV here, that must be quite a show.Were the pilots flushed after the race?
nemo4sun wrote on Dec 23, '07
different movements (no pun intended, well, maybe just a little) serve to expand the range of art
some stick
some do not
but they all lend to an expansion of our experiences

:)
luisguerra wrote on Dec 23, '07
In YouTube you might find a couple others...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbFKOsi0GHQ
anbra6 wrote on Dec 23, '07
I can't understand both of them
lllester wrote on Dec 23, '07
They say art and beauty are in the eyes of the beholder... in the case of the "toliet" art it just proves that therory and for me I don't see the beauty or the art ...but to each their own and as my beloved husband was so fond of saying, " What ever floats your boat"...
luisguerra wrote on Dec 23, '07
had to come again... still wonder why toilet when it looks more like an urinal thing for men.

But for those who don't know... this is a fountain! look carefully at the picture.

The artist that built this fountain, certanly makes me wonder what was on his mind?
greenwytch wrote on Dec 23, '07
there is something incredibly freudian about this one...... ; D
jacquie1951 wrote on Dec 23, '07
I thought it looked like a fountain as well. That was the first thing I though of. It looks like a urinal or bedpan,made into a fountain, I think.
philsgal7759 wrote on Dec 23, '07, edited on Dec 23, '07
yes I thought of you and Lina when I found it
philsgal7759 wrote on Dec 23, '07
It reminds me of an episode of MASH where they had to beautify the camp
and Hawkeye made a fountain out of bedpans
philsgal7759 wrote on Dec 23, '07
I call the toilet, "Functional Art" because not only does it have a graceful shape, it can also be used as a bird feeder !!! LOL!!! Great find, Narice !
Why do you want to use a urinal to feed poor little bidies what have they done dropped
some blessings on your head?
philsgal7759 wrote on Dec 23, '07
In YouTube you might find a couple others...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbFKOsi0GHQ
Ah and to think I threw our old one out It could have been a car or a work of art DARN
jacquie1951 wrote on Dec 23, '07
I remember that! Loved that show!!
philsgal7759 wrote on Dec 23, '07
different movements (no pun intended, well, maybe just a little) serve to expand the range of art
some stick
some do not
but they all lend to an expansion of our experiences

:)
I'm ok with the Dadaist thing but I think he got a bit carried away.
If that means I'm snobbish well so be it
jacquie1951 wrote on Dec 23, '07
had to come again... still wonder why toilet when it looks more like an urinal thing for men.

But for those who don't know... this is a fountain! look carefully at the picture.

The artist that built this fountain, certanly makes me wonder what was on his mind?
One thing comes to mind immediatly! lol
luisguerra wrote on Dec 23, '07
Funny... I was doing a search in this fountain...
Found the creator who built it, and as I was about to take note of the photographer... the power went off...

Was realising the the web place where I was didn't have the right information in this picture.

Too bad... might as well turn the page befor hydro goes off again... big winds around her.
luisguerra wrote on Dec 23, '07
The one I was looking for couldn't find it.
where customers had the toilet outside in the back... almost everyone came back inside holding themselfs, except for some that really went for it .

But this should hep if you ever have one :-)))

have a great week everyone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbVZX-7dpc0
laura1may wrote on Dec 24, '07
Dada is a humourous school. I cannot for the life of me take it at all seriously.
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